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No Votes For Prisoners. Oh Dear.

Don’t get me wrong …. I don’t want murderers, rapists, kiddy fiddlers and jailed ex-MPs to have the vote any more than the next person. Problem is …. I have a really big fucking problem with the vote in parliament today. The fact that it even took place at all.
Think about it.
All the MPs in the HoC had a free vote today, a chance to show their disdain for something that they almost all found totally unacceptable. Rightly so. That’s how it should be. So …. when are we going to be offered the same opportunity to be able to show our overwhelming disdain for all things EU. When are we going to have our free vote Dave. An EU Referendum. You know … the one with the cast iron guarantee.
See my point?
Sometime never, that’s when.
One rule for them …… blah, blah, fucking blah!
I’m so incandescent with rage about the principles of all this that I can’t even be arsed to say that …. if we had had an EU Referendum, as promised, then there wouldn’t have had to be a vote on something in parliament that was instigated by a drug smoking axe murderer just because he felt like being a total c*nt.

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  1. With you all the way there Max.

    The daft bastards think we are really taken in by this piece of fucking pantomime. If it wasn't so pathetic I'd piss myself laughing – what the fuck does being allowed to make a pencilled cross on a bit of paper in a hessian-sacked booth every five years have to do with democracy? Absolutely sod all. The Egyptians are exercising democracy at the moment – prisoners (led by the appalling Hirst) want to be allowed to choose between a bent bloke wearing a blue tie and a shit-for-brains wearing a red tie. Or the coprophiliac wearing a piss-stained yellow tie.

    I'll get me coat…

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  2. With you all the way there Max.

    The daft bastards think we are really taken in by this piece of fucking pantomime. If it wasn't so pathetic I'd piss myself laughing – what the fuck does being allowed to make a pencilled cross on a bit of paper in a hessian-sacked booth every five years have to do with democracy? Absolutely sod all. The Egyptians are exercising democracy at the moment – prisoners (led by the appalling Hirst) want to be allowed to choose between a bent bloke wearing a blue tie and a shit-for-brains wearing a red tie. Or the coprophiliac wearing a piss-stained yellow tie.

    I'll get me coat…

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  3. No need to get your coat ….. well said!

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  4. No need to get your coat ….. well said!

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  5. Well said Caratacus ..

    For as long as those of us who can see sense refuse to be silent .. there's stll a faint glimmer of hope ..

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  6. Well said Caratacus ..

    For as long as those of us who can see sense refuse to be silent .. there's stll a faint glimmer of hope ..

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  7. maybe we could do with a bit of Egyptian Democracy round these parts…Hmmm. Has it come to this? Britain gets lessons in democracy from the Arab street?
    :@

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  8. maybe we could do with a bit of Egyptian Democracy round these parts…Hmmm. Has it come to this? Britain gets lessons in democracy from the Arab street?
    :@

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  9. I've no problem with letting prisoners <a href="http://=http://ucp.totfarm.com/pics/pic_12111273114616.jpg&imgrefurl=http://uncommonpics.com/pic-3650-Its-not-who-votes-that-counts-its-who-counts-the-votes&usg=__fDjjpJY1CZQSpJblO6WoWqxg_Yo=&h=646&w=400&sz=64&hl=en&start=1&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=h2OVBLM24FRABM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=85&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dit%2527s%2Bnot%2Bwho%2Bvotes%2Bit%2527s%2Bwho%2Bcounts%2Bthe%2Bvotes%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1%26prmd%3Divns&ei=n0NUTaa5LMGahQf4g92FCA&quot;” target=”_blank”>=http://ucp.totfarm.com/pics/pic_12111273114616.jpg&imgrefurl=http://uncommonpics.com/pic-3650-Its-not-who-votes-that-counts-its-who-counts-the-votes&usg=__fDjjpJY1CZQSpJblO6WoWqxg_Yo=&h=646&w=400&sz=64&hl=en&start=1&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=h2OVBLM24FRABM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=85&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dit%2527s%2Bnot%2Bwho%2Bvotes%2Bit%2527s%2Bwho%2Bcounts%2Bthe%2Bvotes%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1%26prmd%3Divns&ei=n0NUTaa5LMGahQf4g92FCA" target="_blank">vote.

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  10. Excellent point, Max, and one which I certainly missed. I'm putting it down to the shock of seeing 234 politicians simultaneously getting something fucking right for a change.

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  11. Excellent point, Max, and one which I certainly missed. I'm putting it down to the shock of seeing 234 politicians simultaneously getting something fucking right for a change.

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  12. I'm with you in principle but get popcorn and beer.

    The ruling at issue isn't from the EU. It's from the ECtHR, and that was the one we substantially set up after WWII. Now, we've always had an itchy relationship with it and you should not take any notice of what John Hirst says because he's a manipulative little git. How else do you think he got an old lady to take him in?

    What the ECtHR ruled was that a blanket ban on (convicted criminal) prisoners voting was incompatible with the HRA, so the UK gvt had to go and think again. So it thunk and thunk and thunk, and then John Hirst's chancer of a lawyer realized he could pull a compo stunt and promptly put it together by advertising for claimants in the prisoner's newspaper.

    They have nothng to lose – they haven't actually had the cost of bringing a claim, it's only a threat, and the lawyer needed to get in early, so he did the speculative work. So far none of them have had a penny, but if it ever pays out, he'll do well. No actual law here; all inspired PR and bluff. You have to admire it.

    Now, since the Lisbon treaty there has been a change between us and the ECtHR. Membership of the EU now entails recognzing the ECtHR in Strasbourg in a way which makes it binding. Right at the moment it looks as if even the mighty ECJ (European Court of Justice) is subservient to it. Ha!

    So what the unpleasant but determined John Hirst has done may do us a favour in the long run. He has made people stop and think about what subservience means and they've suddenly realized why the don't like it.

    In the meantime he is ahead of the pack on his speciality, has made loads of contacts, and what ever happens he has raised his professional profile, at the cost of a few adverts and some admin. That's why young laywers take on high-profile cases; it makes their name even if they don't get paid.

    No

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  13. I'm with you in principle but get popcorn and beer.

    The ruling at issue isn't from the EU. It's from the ECtHR, and that was the one we substantially set up after WWII. Now, we've always had an itchy relationship with it and you should not take any notice of what John Hirst says because he's a manipulative little git. How else do you think he got an old lady to take him in?

    What the ECtHR ruled was that a blanket ban on (convicted criminal) prisoners voting was incompatible with the HRA, so the UK gvt had to go and think again. So it thunk and thunk and thunk, and then John Hirst's chancer of a lawyer realized he could pull a compo stunt and promptly put it together by advertising for claimants in the prisoner's newspaper.

    They have nothng to lose – they haven't actually had the cost of bringing a claim, it's only a threat, and the lawyer needed to get in early, so he did the speculative work. So far none of them have had a penny, but if it ever pays out, he'll do well. No actual law here; all inspired PR and bluff. You have to admire it.

    Now, since the Lisbon treaty there has been a change between us and the ECtHR. Membership of the EU now entails recognzing the ECtHR in Strasbourg in a way which makes it binding. Right at the moment it looks as if even the mighty ECJ (European Court of Justice) is subservient to it. Ha!

    So what the unpleasant but determined John Hirst has done may do us a favour in the long run. He has made people stop and think about what subservience means and they've suddenly realized why the don't like it.

    In the meantime he is ahead of the pack on his speciality, has made loads of contacts, and what ever happens he has raised his professional profile, at the cost of a few adverts and some admin. That's why young laywers take on high-profile cases; it makes their name even if they don't get paid.

    No

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  14. Sadly, I think you are right. Britain, once the democracy that all democracies around the world were once modeled on, is now nothing but a dictatorship. Run by the EU and badly managed, on their behalf, by a bunch of corrupt, self serving, duplicitous dick wipes.

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  15. Sadly, I think you are right. Britain, once the democracy that all democracies around the world were once modeled on, is now nothing but a dictatorship. Run by the EU and badly managed, on their behalf, by a bunch of corrupt, self serving, duplicitous dick wipes.

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  16. I don't know why there is an extraneous 'no' at the end, it must have slipped down the edit.
    My recent post The Martyrdom of St Barnabas &amp Carol Hill

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  17. I don't know why there is an extraneous 'no' at the end, it must have slipped down the edit.
    My recent post The Martyrdom of St Barnabas &amp Carol Hill

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  18. The whole thing is a total sham AE. A way to get the sheeple onside and divert their attention from other matters which THEY don't want them to know about. The coagulation are becoming soooo like the last 13 years of New Labour, it just isn't funny anymore ;-(

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  19. The whole thing is a total sham AE. A way to get the sheeple onside and divert their attention from other matters which THEY don't want them to know about. The coagulation are becoming soooo like the last 13 years of New Labour, it just isn't funny anymore ;-(

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  20. Are becoming? ;)

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  21. Are becoming? ;)

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  22. OK – this is what I don't get. We have an overwheming vote in Parliament, but it's not binding. Duh?!?

    We have a law that says prisoners don't get the vote. So prisoners sue us for compensation. Why don't the courts just say – er – we have a law that says prisoners don't get the vote, so sod off. No compensation payable.

    Europe says you done wrong we are fining you. Response – we ain't paying, how are you going to make us?

    Europe says their laws supercede ours, We say no it doesn't. They say obey or we fine you…see above

    Europe gets really stroppy, so we leave. How are they going to stop us?

    Like I said, I don't get it. How do you fine a country if it just says sod off, we ain't paying? We are a net contributor to the EU so it would be their loss – and good riddance I say!

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  23. OK – this is what I don't get. We have an overwheming vote in Parliament, but it's not binding. Duh?!?

    We have a law that says prisoners don't get the vote. So prisoners sue us for compensation. Why don't the courts just say – er – we have a law that says prisoners don't get the vote, so sod off. No compensation payable.

    Europe says you done wrong we are fining you. Response – we ain't paying, how are you going to make us?

    Europe says their laws supercede ours, We say no it doesn't. They say obey or we fine you…see above

    Europe gets really stroppy, so we leave. How are they going to stop us?

    Like I said, I don't get it. How do you fine a country if it just says sod off, we ain't paying? We are a net contributor to the EU so it would be their loss – and good riddance I say!

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  24. Yes, I realise that it's the EHCR ruling that has caused this but ultimately, as you have said far more eloquently than I ever could, it's the EU that will be enforcing it.

    I'll be interested to see where wet Dave goes to from here, now he has 'the vote'. No prisoner has yet made a claim but it won't be long before one of Hirst's cronies steps into the breach. Bet he pays the fines ….. with our money of course. Or he'll have to go against the vote.

    What a mess …. unless the EU kick us out of course. Wishful thinking though …. they need our 42 billion squid a year donation (and rising).

    [No] ;-)

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  25. Yes, I realise that it's the EHCR ruling that has caused this but ultimately, as you have said far more eloquently than I ever could, it's the EU that will be enforcing it.

    I'll be interested to see where wet Dave goes to from here, now he has 'the vote'. No prisoner has yet made a claim but it won't be long before one of Hirst's cronies steps into the breach. Bet he pays the fines ….. with our money of course. Or he'll have to go against the vote.

    What a mess …. unless the EU kick us out of course. Wishful thinking though …. they need our 42 billion squid a year donation (and rising).

    [No] ;-)

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  26. LoL.Sometimes I can be far too lenient ;-)

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  27. LoL.Sometimes I can be far too lenient ;-)

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  28. Agreed but, to tell the EU to sod off, flim-flam Cameron will have to actually grow a pair for a change. Hmmm, maybe he will surprise us all. Shan't hold my breath though ;-)

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  29. Agreed but, to tell the EU to sod off, flim-flam Cameron will have to actually grow a pair for a change. Hmmm, maybe he will surprise us all. Shan't hold my breath though ;-)

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  30. I think the salient point is that iDave is happy to let his lot vote "with their conscience" when the result is what HE WANTS, but on any other anti EU matter they get leaned on by the whips. The latter bunch should be the first to be strung up….

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  31. I think the salient point is that iDave is happy to let his lot vote "with their conscience" when the result is what HE WANTS, but on any other anti EU matter they get leaned on by the whips. The latter bunch should be the first to be strung up….

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  33. The eventual outcome of this vote will be a perfect analogy for the outcome of any future EU referendum we might, (just might), eventually be granted, Max……. i.e., fuck all!

    Ken Clarke has already let the cat out of the bag on prisoners' votes and we would just be forced into referendum after referendum until the cunts in Brussels managed to rig the vote, (as they did in Ireland), to get the result that they, and Cleggeron, want…….. bastards!
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  34. Yep. Any EU Referendum will be worded in such a way that the Xfactendersoniceinthejungle brigade will supply the result that the government require. Revolution is the only solution. Eh up … that sounds like a good slogan. Better TM that nugget sharpish ;-)

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  35. Yep. Any EU Referendum will be worded in such a way that the Xfactendersoniceinthejungle brigade will supply the result that the government require. Revolution is the only solution. Eh up … that sounds like a good slogan. Better TM that nugget sharpish ;-)

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  36. Yep. One rule for them etc., etc. No change there then.

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  37. Yep. One rule for them etc., etc. No change there then.

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  38. "How are they going to stop us?" They will order France to invade us but we will already have borrowed their rustbucket aircraft carrier "Charles De Gaul" and closed the tunnel, bit of a pickle really.
    My recent post what has my country done for me

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  39. "How are they going to stop us?" They will order France to invade us but we will already have borrowed their rustbucket aircraft carrier "Charles De Gaul" and closed the tunnel, bit of a pickle really.
    My recent post what has my country done for me

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  40. "One Rule to rule them all, One Rule to find them, One Rule to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Brussels where the Shadows lie."

    This is all a con and a charade, Using a relativly trivial matter to pretend that little MPs are important when Brussels will win in the end merely by procedure. They are doing much the same to Lithuania over the issue of promoting gayness to infants.
    http://rt.com/news/homosexuality-lithuania-legisl

    Koktysh said.“I believe the struggle with Lithuania has a sole goal: to hurt Lithuania’s reputation, and vice versa. The question is not whether kids should grow up being tolerant, but xD who wins the argument xD .”

    In both cases it is a cynical power play by Brussels brought on to show who is boss.
    My recent post what has my country done for me

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  41. "One Rule to rule them all, One Rule to find them, One Rule to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Brussels where the Shadows lie."

    This is all a con and a charade, Using a relativly trivial matter to pretend that little MPs are important when Brussels will win in the end merely by procedure. They are doing much the same to Lithuania over the issue of promoting gayness to infants.
    http://rt.com/news/homosexuality-lithuania-legisl

    Koktysh said.“I believe the struggle with Lithuania has a sole goal: to hurt Lithuania’s reputation, and vice versa. The question is not whether kids should grow up being tolerant, but xD who wins the argument xD .”

    In both cases it is a cynical power play by Brussels brought on to show who is boss.
    My recent post what has my country done for me

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  42. The Filthy Engineer

    And why so few politicians? FFS there are 650 elected members. Where were the rest?

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  43. The Filthy Engineer

    And why so few politicians? FFS there are 650 elected members. Where were the rest?

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  44. I wondered that myself. I suppose it'll be put down to Labour encouraging their MPs to abstain but I reckon it's simply that those expense claims won't fill themselves in. ;)

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  45. I wondered that myself. I suppose it'll be put down to Labour encouraging their MPs to abstain but I reckon it's simply that those expense claims won't fill themselves in. ;)

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  46. That's an excellent point FE! Less than half of the lazy bastards bothered to actually vote. Isn't that what they're paid to do FFS!. I think I'll give my boss a ring and tell him that I shall be abstaining from work today … on full pay plus expenses. I wonder how that will go down?

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  47. That's an excellent point FE! Less than half of the lazy bastards bothered to actually vote. Isn't that what they're paid to do FFS!. I think I'll give my boss a ring and tell him that I shall be abstaining from work today … on full pay plus expenses. I wonder how that will go down?

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  48. Now you mention it, there is spiritual and physical likeness between Gollum and John Hirst.

    In the story the final destruction of the One Ring is at his hands, although by accident.

    Hmmmm.
    My recent post The Martyrdom of St Barnabas &amp Carol Hill

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  49. Now you mention it, there is spiritual and physical likeness between Gollum and John Hirst.

    In the story the final destruction of the One Ring is at his hands, although by accident.

    Hmmmm.
    My recent post The Martyrdom of St Barnabas &amp Carol Hill

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