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A Tangled Web Website Shut Down By Arvixe

“So what?”, some of you might say. The ‘A Tangled Web‘ website has been shut down by the server hosts Arvixe. Why should that bother anyone else? Firstly, ATW was taken offline by Arvixe without any consultation with the website owner. Secondly, it was all due to a complaint made by a troll of the site that ATW was ‘racist’. Thirdly, A Tangled Web is a stablemate of the Max Farquar website. So, who’s to say that we won’t be next. Yes, we too are hosted by Arvixe.

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I am totally at a loss. I can’t decide which I am angrier and outraged at … the most. A host that can take the word of a comment troll against that of a site owner. OR a host that can just do whatever the fuck they like without warning. If there was ever a clear example of an attempt to stifle free speech then this is it. This is serious. Deadly fucking serious. If someone like Arvixe can strike out 10 years worth of political debate on the say so of a someone who is falsely accusing a site author of something he didn’t do … without approaching the owner for their side of the argument … then …

Free speech on the internet is well and truly fucked!

Regular readers of this site will know that freedom of speech is all I ever really care about. Freedom to express an opinion. Freedom to criticise those with differing views. Freedom to say what you want … without fear or favour. Not everyone will agree with every opinion. Some might even take offence. However, that is what free speech is all about. The right of reply. The right of complaint. All form part of it.

Closing down a website, without warning, due to an unproven allegation is NOT anything to do with free speech. I feel so strongly about this that I am quite prepared to see the Max Farquar website closed down by Arvixe. Just because I have made the choice to publicly announce how outrageous their actions against ‘A Tangled Web‘ have been. I’m not bothered about cutting off my nose to spite my face … the principles of free speech are far more important.

Rant over.

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Here is what David Vance, the owner of ‘A Tangled Web‘ website has to say :

 FREE SPEECH UNACCEPTABLE

Today started like any other on my long-standing website, A Tangled Web. There were a few posts on the moral obscenity of appeasing terrorists and the foolishness of leftist economics. Plus ca change. Then, this afternoon, I tried to log on to my site only to discover it was unavailable. I contacted the host, a company called Arvixe, only to be casually informed that the site was now suspended because it had been complaints of racism and harassing content had been confirmed.

How interesting.

Naturally the host had not contacted me nor provided any information on the allegations that led to this “confirmation” – I think this is called summary justice. The truly remarkable aspect that it is my view that the person behind this complaint has been BANNED by the site for his persistent trolling. So, one deranged troll can close down a site that seeks to provide free speech and the owner has no opportunity of rebuttal.

If you think this is unfair, can you do me a favour and contact abuse@arvixe.com and demand that they reinstate the site pending a proper consultation with the site owner. Failing this, Arvixe must be shown as the enemy of free speech. I hope you can help me.

So …. if you have a blog or website or a Twitter account AND you value your right to free speech, then I urge you to link to this post or produce an article of your own on the subject. While you still can. While you still have access to your blog or website or Twitter account.

Today … A Tangled Web

Tomorrow … maybe Max Farquar.

The day after … maybe you.

If you’re not prepared to fight for your right to free speech then both I and David Vance are wasting our time, in trying our fucking damnedest to protect what is rightfully yours … because that is what we believe in.

Please help.

Or think on.

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+++ UPDATE +++

The site was disabled after our staff verified the presence of hateful/defamatory content within articles/posts on the site. We are currently working with the site owners to resolve this. We always verify any and all complaints prior to taking any further actions, and as you can see in our terms of service and acceptable use policies (www.arvixe.com/tos.php and www.arvixe.com/aup.php) we do not allow racist/hateful/harrassing, etc. sites on our services, and even if this weren’t the case, we do hold the right to refuse service as we see fit. The reason the site owners were not given prior notification, is because (as I’m sure you must understand) it is HIGHLY unfeasible for our staff members to thoroughly comb through the content of an entire website and all articles, posts, etc to compile a list of all infringing/violating material that would need to be removed. We cannot simply specify to a client to, for example, remove one offending phrase yet allow (X) others to go unnoticed. As such, the site is being disabled until we have come to a resolution one way or another.

Thanks,

Nathan Lowell

Sr. Technical Operations Officer Arvixe

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* speechless *

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+++ UPDATE 2 +++

Our tech guy has found what appears to have caused the so-called complaint … check out the last line under the photo. Looks like Obama has friends with influence. I’m sure he must have been called worse. So what’s the problem? I don’t see that any part of that statement is racist.

* dunno *

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94 comments

  1. As the dogsbody of a few sites, this has happened to me too. Blogger is well known for it but others are equally gutless and dictatorial. I had a troll I was hammer and tongs with – either he or someone close made a complaint about “objectionable material” on my site and it was immediately closed – not even investigated.

    When reinstated, there was zero apology. It stinks but they have us by the short and curlies, unless we become our own hosts and providers, which is so with OoL but not NO.

    Thoughts with you and your friend this evening, Max.

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  2. So they verify the racist content before suspending the site, but it is “HIGHLY unfeasible for our staff members to thoroughly comb through the content of an entire website and all articles, posts, etc to compile a list of all infringing/violating material that would need to be removed” ??

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  3. Now if someone left a “racist” comment on their website…………..?????

    BTW I tried to add my two-penneth of support, but the abuse@arvixe.com link isn’t.

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    • Weird – the link in the posting doesn’t work for me; but it does in my comment!?!

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      • That’s strange JP … that was the email address they supplied to David, if he had ‘any queries’. Hmmph … yeah, just a couple.

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  4. It’s the same for spam. Send an email from your server and someone complains and they block your site. All terrified of litigation.

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  5. One thing I’d also be doing now, if I were you, is to take all the comments, the blog posts, and the interface and get ready to start somewhere afresh. If you don’t know how to do that, get someone techy minded to help you. I’m sure you’re on the ball anyway and very much know all this, but just in case.

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    • Many thanks for the advice … yes, we have excellent tech guys who always do regular backups and are currently working on trying to get ATW up and running elsewhere. Even if it means running it from a home computer! BUT there is no getting away from the fact that this is a serious attack on free speech.

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  6. I don’t think it’s because of racism, it will be because of the term ‘faggot’. This is classed as homophobic, which in turn is classed as ‘hate’. Still pathetic that the site was shut down with no say so to the owner.

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  7. I am the supposed troll that he is referring to

    however I can say that I did not report the site to arvixe

    i do agree though that it is a HATE site

    run by a Rascist, Sexist, Homophobic Fascist

    the point is, that he can try to get another website to host his site
    but it would have to have a not interested policy in HATE SPEECH

    I wish him good luck with that ( NOT )

    p.s his site is the same as extremist islamic hate speech sites

    which are banned by the likes of youtube etc

    so I won’t be taking lectures from right wing haters at all

    well done Arvixe

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    • ATW is back in business and unapologetic. Well, in all but one regard. The low life scum called Sir Percy remains BANNED. Enjoy the twlight zone, pal

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    • “a HATE site run by a Rascist, Sexist, Homophobic Fascist”

      I just want to get this straight. Are you advocating that blogs should only be run by “Zoophilia loving, Pedophiliac, Turd-burglars and Socialists”?

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    • Freedom of speech seems to scare you rigid, it appears to make you quake in your boots.
      The fact that people think differently to you is anathema – how dare they and how dare they actually say so.
      This has nothing to do with left or right wing but is everything to do with freedom.
      You sad little person, your actions make you worse than those you despise.

      ‘The next fascists will be the anti-fascists….’ and you are living proof.

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  8. radical cleric David Vance, I think your day is over
    web-hosting cannot allow you to further infringe

    same as youtube which bans muslim hate speech
    there is no difference between you and them

    none whatsoever

    watch your step

    p.s I can log in any time as its wordpress which runs your logins not you

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    • Sir Percy why dont you do one. There is nothing wrong with freedom of expression. Dictators like you have no place in civilised democractic society.

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  9. I’ve been locked up for less. Welcome to the real world folks

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  10. oh and bye the way ATW has now got an enforced “comments moderation”

    good that’ll keep you busy DV,

    and prevent further abuse and hurt to the victims of your hate

    job well done as Gerry Kelly might say

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  11. Shutting down the site can only be due to the personal prejudices of the server owners since Google has just won a defamation case against its Blogger.com on the basis that “it (Blogger) has no control over any of this content” and was merely a “neutral service provider”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/9719320/Superpower-Google-peddles-powerful-myth-it-is-not-to-blame-for-libel.html

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  12. 2 Weasel Wanker says “As such, the site is being disabled until we have come to a resolution one way or another.” which is how Social Services treat their clients when they decide to re-examine their circumstances for some random reason or none, they cancel their benefits in the meanwhile.

    I realise that it is a pain in the arse but get another server; do any other of our friends use this Arvixe outfit?

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  13. arvixe have a user agreement which forbids incitement to violence for example
    ATW is regularly in breach of their terms

    now arvixe have reinstated the blog, but Mullah Vance must enable comments moderation.
    that is the price he has to pay for continued services
    or else they will just pull the whole thing

    perhaps web-hosting is about providing a neutral service , but arvixe have a reputation to maintain also
    basically its not good for business to allow Hate Speech –

    ATW can always go elsewhere, but I can tell you ATW has already moved platform
    over a dozen times, due to complaints about content — in other words he has FORM

    Nobody really wants him, he’s disgusting, but they’ll take his money or is it ( danegeld ) — lol

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  14. Sounds like this host is in league with “The Beast” and we know what to do with beasts, don’t we, Max?

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  15. As soon as a host gets a rep for doing this sort of thing, its customers will simply not renew. I suggest you lead the charge against these enemies of freedom, Max. Take your money and your business elsewhere.

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  16. As a longtime reader and sanctioned writer on ATW, I can’t thank you enough for this post.

    David has been unfairly persecuted over the past ten years by aggrieved liberals who seek to shut down his opinions. He provides an open forum for all to debate, welcomes dissenting, polite argument, tolerates posts by a stable writers of diverse sensibilities and only bans the most demented, hateful commenters.

    A Tangled Web is one of the most tolerant, diverse, classically liberal sites in the Anglosphere. We sometimes delve off the deep end, tolerate extreme forms of ignorance but we welcome all comers and David has provided a broad format for open, inclusive, no-holds-barred debate.

    It’s great site that doesn’t deserve the constant attacks to shut it down.

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    • absolute rubbish, the content alone of ATW , the headers is enough to make a normal person puke.
      Stop with the Hate Speech and no-one wil bother you
      The site is a daily attack on muslims, gays, the peace process, democracy & poor people
      Daphe you have no shame – and no web host is going to give you haters a free run
      DV had banned hundreds of people over the years on a whim, so there, you liar

      My comments are those of an outraged person sick to the back teeth of your vicious discrimination
      and are an accurate, if colourful description of your hatred, bigotry and hypocrisy
      I make no apologies, my comments do not incite violence, neither do they pick on weaker groups in society
      who you assholes should be protecting from Imam Vance’s unworthy and cruel attacks
      but you have no heart or morality , you are evil wicked people

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  17. Sir Percy is an unmitigated asshole.

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    • that really doesn’t work does it?
      let me help you
      ATW is an unmitigated disaster

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  18. Pulled from today’s ATW spam and trash files. Percy aka Ulster Bigot at his finest.

    Hi DV

    HATE speech is not tolerated, this goes beyond the left-right divide

    the unbannable sir percy

    this whole website needs reporting to the police

    …………………………

    oh dear
    UB or should I say the unbanable Ulster Bigot strikes again
    who is the loser now DV .. LOL

    ……………………………

    Just stop being a
    hateful ,rascist, nazi, fascist, bigot, sexist, greedy, heartless, asslicking pig
    and you’ll be just fine

    anymore of your nonsense and it’ll be anonymous hackers on your case

    do you really want that pal?

    now be nice, you could be on social security if you had an accident

    ………………

    Knuckles well and truly wrapped, well done arvixe

    it will be the Death of the Site, as you have to be online ALL

    the time to moderate, I hope that really pisses you off

    you unacceptable Liar, Bigot and Hypocrit

    no morere Hate speech — hooray

    p.s DV I can log in anytime, anywhere, any place

    regards the unbannable sir percy

    you’re going down son !

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    • keep em coming, they’re priceless, if you paypal me you can have some more daphne
      I’ll give you a reduced rate, as it must be hard living in your trailer this time of year!

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  19. Lets all sing along with little Perce, all together now, na na na na na, na na na na na, na na na na na, na na na na na, na…………………………..

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  20. I think you are a bit confused about the meaning of free speech. Surely what a website host allows on its websites is up to the host?

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    • In the United Kingdom, several statutes criminalize hate speech against several categories of persons. The statutes forbid communication which is hateful, threatening, abusive, or insulting and which targets a person on account of skin colour, race, disability, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.[3][48][49][50][51][52][53] Legislation against Sectarian hate in Scotland, which is aimed principally at football matches, does not criminalise jokes about peoples’ beliefs, nor outlaw “harsh” comment about their religious faith

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  21. Well I don’t know, I’m a simple soul .. haven’t looked at ATW before and now, having done so, can’t see anything wrong with it .. good sense spoken and all that. Doubtless Sir Percy will mark me down as this that or the other as a result of that humble observation.

    Because I understand – and mightily approve of – where Max comes from with ref. to Free Speech, I would hazard a guess that SP is the sort of cunt who would prefer that we all genuflect before his superior intellect rather than have our own ideas. Ever fancied becoming a clergyman, SP? Ideal territory for you I would think.

    At least Sir Percy has done Mr. Vance a bit of good here – I suspect that ATW’s viewing figures will have increased a tad due to SP’s sploshing about in the puddles. Daft cunt too, it would seem :-)

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    • Is there such a thing as hate speech?

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      • Well you seem to be spouting enough of it you sad sanctimonious bastard.

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      • ‘Is there such a thing as hate speech?’

        Yes. It’s a sub-heading under Free Speech. Who defines ‘hate’? I think that a lot of what many people dribble on about is ‘hate speech’. They still have a right to say it, and I still have the right to take the unrelenting piss out of them and show them up for the pathetic little squits that they are.

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      • “I fucking hate you Sir Percy and hope you die of cock cancer”, will that do?

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        • “I fucking hate you Sir Percy …”

          Words – a collection of nouns and verbs designed and written to elicit a hoped-for response. These words say far more about the person who wrote them than the recipient, don’t they?

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    • Free speech not Hate Speech
      Hope not Hate for
      A Better World

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  22. I’m of course with you on the free speech issue, Max, which is why I reluctantly make the unique request that you bar this “Sir Percy” character from posting here. Anyone who sets themselves up as a self-appointed arbiter of what is “acceptable” and whose spurious complaints lead to the draconian outcome of a site being pulled does not deserve to be afforded a public platform for their own views. Those who advocate censorship should also be subject to it. Those who choose to silence dissent rather than respond to it with reasoned counterpoints and constructive debate should themselves be silenced.
    What we have here is analogous to what has happened in Egypt. A tyrant gets himself elected thanks to democracy then immediately sets out to destroy it. This little shit deserves to be stamped on. Fill your boots.

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    • Reluctantly disagree Wiggy. What he has to say is patent bloody nonsense but he has every right to say it .. that’s sort of the whole point. Hats off to Max for allowing the incontinent wanker to hold forth :-) Now THAT’S Free Speech Heh heh :-)

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    • its not arbitary that is the point, so for example you can insult me to your hearts content, and I you.
      the line is crossed, according to the law where you incite hatred against a group based on colour, creed, ethnicity, sexuality e.g ” that dirty nigger/faggot/paki needs lynching” would be hate speech – and so on — which is why the daily mail borders on hate speech every day, as they set out to incite hatred against e.g welfare claimants under the spurious argument that all claimants are scroungers, something the rotter osbourne also repeats
      that’s the difference .. i don’t think that makes me sanctimonius .
      when I insut vance i call him all the names under the sun, but what i don’t do is attack him under a group/class/set
      maybe it would be hate speech if I called him a sad old balding fart, as that would be to attack old peole and bald people– truth is in my opionon esp right wing haters, they love to use free speech as a free ride to attack at will vulnerable groups in cruel unwotrthy ways, due to their bigoted views, who mostly need protection .
      as they can’t defend themselves – a principle that GB and the free world stand up for, e.g we declared war on germany to defend the poles ..
      Vance claims to be be british, but in my view his views represent the anti-thesis of what it is to be british
      what else do you expect from loyalists , who have never been loyal at all ..

      Its never been acceptable to do that, Free speech has alway e.g outlawed rascist language

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      • Cultural Marxist scum. Pure Frankfurt School. If you are still stinking up the joint tomorrow I’ll take you to pieces bit by bit in front of everybody. I know exactly where treasonous filth like you are coming from.

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        • UAF/HNH = Sanctimonious bastards

          It’s telling that the only groupings that advocated genocide in either the nineteenth or twentieth Centuries called themselves “Socialists”…..Yet now these same people seek to curtail the views of those that they disagree with, by referring to them as “Fascists” and attempting to close them down……A lie (Socialism) is an obscenity of nature, that has to be repackaged and maintained in order to keep up the pretence that they (the Socialists) are actually “progressing”. We find that they’ll use every underhanded trick in the book to grasp the moral high ground, in an attempt to have others dancing to their tune…..

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        • earwig are you from the anders brevik school of thought/action?

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      • “Free speech has alway e.g outlawed rascist language”

        Well it’s not bloody Free Speech then, is it? Not even English come to that.

        I don’t like the Daily Mail either, but for every headline about immigrants enjoying the lavish Socialist lifestyle bestowed upon them by bureaucrats making free with our money, there is another highlighting the iniquities of a heavy handed state and its hounding of people caught up in the cogs.

        If you’re going to start throwing shit about, play the white man and do it evenly .. there’s a good chap.

        Apols. Max, couldn’t resist that little fly for the trout ;-)

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        • caractus
          you’re a smart fella

          if blogs are going to advocate free spech like this one max farquar
          then all comments are to be allowed
          which in fact max does, so a big thumbs up to him

          if commentatorts/bloggers say nasty things then I and others can reply

          trouble is on vance’s blog – antangled web

          what he does is surround himself with fellow extremists
          and a few civil folk , but the rest are banned

          that is just a joke and i would expect everyone here

          to agree with me , that that kind of censorship is out of order

          he refers to contrary views as from trolls etc -

          and in exactly the same way am I am critized for who decides

          what hate speech is , the same goes for what is a troll.

          ok so he is as guilty as me then.

          however I change my view now to allow all speech

          so long as all replies are allowed

          now that makes only him guilty

          touche —

          and earwing should be pleased also :)

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      • Isn’t the third line down on your rant “hate speech”?

        Or is your so called hate speech OK as long as it’s wrapped up in some fatuous attempt to “educate” people.

        Max I think you should ban Sir Percy he’s bringing your site into disrepute by his hate speech.

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      • “as they can’t defend themselves – a principle that GB and the free world stand up for, e.g we declared war on germany to defend the poles ..” Do some deeper research moron! Or just ask some Libyans, Iraqis or Afghanis.

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  23. Sir Percival –
    In the United Kingdom, several statutes criminalize hate speech against several categories of persons. The statutes forbid communication which is hateful, threatening, abusive, or insulting and which targets a person on account of skin colour, race, disability, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.[3][48][49][50][51][52][53] Legislation against Sectarian hate in Scotland, which is aimed principally at football matches, does not criminalise jokes about peoples’ beliefs, nor outlaw “harsh” comment about their religious faith” [sic]

    And of what use are these statutes? Oh, wait, you give us an idea that there may be flaws in them:

    Is there such a thing as hate speech?

    One of a series of questions I asked my own MP, who was a rabid supporter of such vacuous bills, in an exchange of e-mails that only convinced me that I was bashing my head against a brick wall. The bills contain no definition to identify what they are actually legislating against; in other words, they were utterly empty, pathetic bills, issued in the vain hope that they would fool people into believing that Something Was Being Done (though about what is also not particularly obvious). This is the legacy of B-Liar.

    Now, Sir Percival, I am unable to comprehend why your conclusion that all those who utter what you consider to be hate speech are “right wing” (whatever that may actually mean). I take it you consider the Unite Against Fascism group, often described as “left wing”, to be arbiters of good taste and moderate speech. Free speech should never “outlaw” anything that anyone wants to say – let them spout their drivel, and reveal to the world what twaddle it is; forbid them from speaking, and you give them the kudos of mystery – “Perhaps”, people might say (never underestimate the stupidity of people), “he wants to break the mould, and the powers that be are frightened. We must listen to him.”

    I agree with Caratacus, you have as much right as anyone to air your views; however, this does not – CAN NOT, and SHOULD NOT– give you the right to silence the views of anyone else, however offensive you may find them.

    Radical Rodent

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    • UAF/HNH = Sanctimonious bastards

      It’s always been a simplistic ploy used by Socialist groupings throughout Britain in citing: “We will not share a platform with Fascists”, but then who is it that decides who the “Fascists” actually are?…..Ah yes, that would be them then…

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    • So what about the 2 Oz dudes responsible for the “Kate hospital prank call”. They have had their Twitter accounts suspended, don’t they still deserve freedom of speech? (And I say that despite not liking what they did and not liking Twitter either).
      Perhaps that will now be the way of the world, anytime anyone does anything that lots of people allegedly disapprove of “close their Twitter, block their blog, cut off their phone, don’t let them watch telly, seal their letterbox…” that’ll learn ‘em.

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      • Well, we all know the political leanings of the control freaks in the Australian government, and the obvious leanings of our own “right-wing” (not!) PM. While the Oz DJs’ so-called prank was of exceptionally poor taste (but they are Ozzies, so…), it was done in innocence, not realising the delicate mental state of the nurse who took the call (which should also reflect badly upon the standards of the hospital’s personnel – sorry, “human resources” – department). As always, everyone now has the twenty-twenty vision that hindsight gives us, and many insist that “Something Must Be Done!” The fact that this will include the demonising of grown-up children will fly high over their heads.

        However, and more sinisterly, it gives both governments (and others who are closely watching) a splendid opportunity to curtail yet more of our freedoms. Don’t you think that they will leap at such a chance?

        Radical Rodent.

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    • you make a good case

      the actual problem with ATW is that the owner censors his readers
      he wants to give it out, but can’t take it
      says he’s in favour of free speech, then bans certain troublesome commentators
      this means some people decise to report him, as a way of fighting back
      but they’d much rather be allowed to comment instead ..

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    • thanks rodent
      do you think any hate-preachers should be banned from visiting the uk
      and would you therefore disagree with all those decisions made by successive home secretaries
      which have banned certain muslim and far-right preachers?

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      • Interesting question, and one that is not so simple to answer with yes/no. All visitors to any country should observe the mores and customs of the country that they are visiting; to enter expressly with the intention of spreading hate may not make a person popular with authority. However, if that “hate-preacher” enters, and is subject to open discussion, and not driven underground, then such hate-speech will be exposed for what it is, and most will probably ignore it (which is the proper way to deal with it, rather than getting all hot and bothered). There will always be a few of the more gullible who lap up such sentiment; they do need to get out more.

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  24. Banning people from a blog you administer is not a contravention of free speech. Neither is closing down a blog hosted on servers you own. ‘Free speech’ is not separate from regular property rights.

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  25. That may be the case, in which case it does raise doubts about his belief in free speech; however, there are a lot of individuals who seem to delight in sticking their oar in and stirring, without any rationale behind their post – much as, in a verbal debate, you might want to silence the numptie who just sits there, shouting, “Bogies!” every so often. It reminds me of on-line discussions I have had; one was with someone who “…didn’t do blogs…” even though we were debating on a blog, and refused to look at those sites I put forward to back my side as they were the despised blogs; however, the sites he put forward all looked like blog sites to me but, apparently, were not – they were “scientific” (i.e., they agreed with his point of view). On another, my protagonist very quickly resorted to advising me to self-harm for daring to raise what I considered to be a valid question, which no-one managed to answer. Are you one of those type of people, or are you genuinely trying to get your point across in a rational, logical manner, without recourse to fatuous insults – or falling into the equally fatuous attempts of political point-scoring.

    My own reading of ATW has been sparse, but I cannot recall anything to raise my dander as it appears to have raised yours. It can sometimes be refreshing to read a site that raises your hackles, then to try and understand that writer’s particular point of view, before attempting to respond in a civilised fashion.

    Don’t be gulled by sites like Hope not Hate (of which I know nothing, so please do not read this as a diatribe against them in particular); while some may be truly altruistic (as HnH may well be), but my own cynicism kicks in and makes me wonder what their REAL objectives are; there does appear to be moves afoot to install apartheid in our society, under different guises – e,g, “diversity” and “multi-culturalism”.

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