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Open Thread 07/10/2013

Here you go, another Open Thread for general discussion.

Why not give your views on the announcement by Adam Afriyie that he intends to try and force a Referendum on EU membership before the end on this parliament.

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It’s apparently enraged David Cameron, but that’s not surprising, as he doesn’t really want to give us to leave anyway. The chances of him still being in power by 2017 are pretty remote, and he was quoted in a Spanish interview as saying he would ignore an “out” vote anyway…

Note that both Richard North & Autonomous Mind are against an early vote, as they both believe it would be lost, due to lack of time organising sufficient support, against a background of powerful, well funded pro EU supporters.

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  1. This EU “hokey-cokey” Dave is just a distraction. The biggest mistake we made was just after Agincourt when we could have deported all the French to England and we could have all emigrated to France. The French then could have had the pain of listening to the Welsh, Irish and Scots all banging-on about how they were superior to the English and how badly they are treated and why they need independence. Mind you once one of our neighbours gets enough dosh they leaves as fast as they can and spend the rest of lives wearing either a kilt, leek or shamrock.
    In or out of the EU who cares. It doesn’t matter. You will still be buggered by something just as bad and hairy but with a different name.
    The West is in it’s financial terminal death throws. Money printing gone mad. Buying it’s own debt to cover the cracks which get wider by the day. False flag attacks escalating. Propaganda being churned out by the media. People being conned into riding on the Tiger’s back with housing loans and shares in Royal Mail.
    Government and Central Banks stifling the real creation of real jobs but encouraging the unemployed to become a serf class keeping the place tidy for the few. Unemployment for youth is escalating not because they don’t want to work but because there are no jobs anymore.
    Banks don’t loan for business enterprises or pay real interest. They just get money from the Bank of England for no interest and then gamble with it in the City or loan it back to the government. The mug taxpayer picks up the bill.
    Forget the ins and outs of the EU something much bigger and much more dangerous is coming over the hill.

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  2. AND another thing. Why the fuck am I not treated the same as Google?
    Google doesn’t pay any tax because after they’ve taken their “expenses” away from their earnings their “profit” is written down as “bugger-all”. So no tax to pay.
    Well I’m the bleedin’ same. After I’ve paid my expenses including food, rates and other necessary living expenses I don’t have any profits either. So I shouldn’t pay any tax.

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  3. I’m not acquainted with the bloggers you cite above, Dave, so I’ll confine my remarks to the politicians.
    Any politician who places impediments in the path of those of us seeking withdrawal from supranational authorities such as the EU and/or the UN is de facto a traitor to the country they purport to represent and consequently guilty of high treason and should be dealt with swiftly and decisively in the only appropriate manner such a crime demands.
    Just my 2p worth.

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    • Wiggy,

      You are spot on.

      The crimes of High Treason and Misprision of Treason are still on the Rolls. Heath should be dug up and charged with this most serious of crimes. To some, it is worse than murder.

      Every PM, and every serving MP since 1972 is guilty of HT or MoT.

      Gaol them all.

      CR.

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      • Gaol them all?? I think suspended sentences are more appropriate under the circumstances, Ranty. If you, er, know what I mean. ;-) ;-)

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    • Wiggy – you told me that you research stories in great depth. Richard North runs the EU Referendum blog, and co-authors many articles with Christopher Booker who has regular spots in the Telegraph, and more recently the Mail. He has gone through the legalities of us leaving the EU in minute detail, and almost certainly has a better grasp of what’s required than anyone in government or UKIP. You might want to have a look through some of his recent posts.

      He and AM have already come up with a realistic time-scale of this, and frequently quote official documents to back up their claims. Neither consider a quicker exit is either technically possible or winnable in an early referendum. Both RN & AM, along with Boiling Frog and Witterings from Witney are behind efforts to set up an alternative style of government – “Referism” – under the “Harrogate Declaration” banner.

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      • I’m constantly surprised at the number of blog-readers who don’t check out the blog-rolls and links in sidebars – they’re usually a valuable provider of insight and info, much more so than trawling through the online press. The msm can be really depressing but bloggers can inform and inspire.

        On the subject of blogs I’d just like to add a personal note of thanks to you for continuing with the blog – I miss Max and wish him well, top chap but all good things come to an end, as My Gran was wont to say – and have adjusted my blog-roll after reading about what’s been going on. Nil carborundum illegitimi ;)

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        • A good point GV – and it made me notice that there isn’t blog-roll any more! Whether it’s something I’ve buggered up or not I don’t know. Will have to investigate further. I use Ranty’s as it puts the newest postings at the top. I’ve never worked out how to use RSS feeds, so this is a handy alternative.

          I don’t think Max has “come to an end” yet, although he doesn’t always reply to my emails as quickly as he used to. I know there are more important things in his life at the moment, so I make allowances for that.

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      • Sounds like a complete non-starter to me, Dave. As I’ve said before, once you delegate the running of your affairs to others, you’re inviting disaster. I want politics as a career choice to become a quaint old-fashioned concept that belongs to the past. Professional politicians, even the best of them, always put themselves and their own interests first. Yes, even the best of them. And yet, what do the people behind this “Harrogate Declaration” have to say on this matter? Let’s see:

        “A movement that aims to see the political elite become Public Servants in a real and material sense, not just in name.”

        Good God!! They want to retain the political elite and are stupid enough to believe they can reform them!!!
        If I were a member of the “political elite” and I wanted to cover my arse in case the public finally saw through our phony democracy, a popular movement like this would be absolute gift for me. In fact if no one came up with the idea, my friends and I jolly well would – and we’d pay some suitable stooges to promote it, ‘n all! :-D

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  4. My own disenchantment and cynicism with all our “leaders” is such that whether they be for or against any matter I can’t take anything they say at face value. Is Adam Afriyie on the level or is this just the opening gambit of some subterfuge yet to be revealed , the nwo in this respect has achieved one of its goals everything’s going tits up and I don’t trust any of them .

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  5. A complete change of pace guys.

    Bill Gates wants the World population to fall. With this in mind he has agreed to sponsor the search for better application of condoms. $100,000 Dollars are on offer.

    Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel has “come” up with an answer. Watch the whole video. Funny.

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    • Whoever said that the Germans have no sense of humour?

      Mind you, there was that German comedian who started his act with, “I vish to lay to rest for vonce unt for all ze notion zat Chermans are obsessed viz order and numerical efficiency .. So! Joke No.1 …”

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    • At last, a suggestion for me to add to my Christmas List from my dearest-beloved.

      Thanks George.

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  6. Bugger. It doesn’t seem to work properly. When I click on the video it says “Video doesn’t exist” but in the top left corner is the “playlist”. It’s the one about Bill Gates.
    Anything you can do about it Dave.

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  7. I would be quite happy for the world population to fall – just not in the same way that Gates thinks it should…

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    • Yeah. Be nice to see Gates, his smelly wife and his rotten “foundation” be the first to die off!

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  8. Aunty’s preaching again:-

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24440908

    EU calls for big migrant sea mission.

    The EC proposes a search and rescue mission to intercept migrant boats as the alleged captain in the Lampedusa migrant ship tragedy is held. Lampedusa death toll climbs to 232.

    A ‘European tragedy’ – they call it. WTF. It’s the authorities from the ports of embarkation, allowing ill-equipped boats to leave, NOT us Europeans who are at fault.

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    • And when these people are “rescued” which direction will they be taken , I think we all know the answer to that so why not cut out the middle man and send some decent transport to pick them up from home f.o.c. naturally .

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    • I think I’ve worked out what all those people are doing in the background of the newsroom of the BBC’s palatial new extended new London base. Their sole job is to sift through the world’s news, as it comes in, and filter out anything and everything that might be the least bit informative, interesting and relevant to the viewer at home. They then get one of their resident fat, useless, gormless, feminist frumps to regurgitate a thin, insipid gruel of empty drivel, devoid of all intellectual nutrition to said viewer, from whom they have extorted, under threat of imprisonment, an annual ransom to pay for it all.
      The sad fact that this outrageous fiasco has been permitted to continue unquestioned under governments of all stripes since before most of us were born tells us all we need to know about whether we live in a functional democracy or not.
      Thank God then, for RT! Can’t wait to see it return on the 10th! The alternatives – not confined solely to the BBC – are simply UNBEARABLE.

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  9. Here’s my input for today – a newspaper front page reports how MI5 have claimed the “The Guardian has handed a ‘gift’ to terrorists” by publishing the Snowden files. Whether you see that as good or bad, what really got my back up was a quote by Andrew Parker, head of the intelligence agency, who said there were:

    “Several thousand Islamist extremists living in the UK who ‘see the British people as a legitimate target’”

    If the security services know this, why the fuck are they still here? If they are not British citizens they should be on the first flight out (preferably in a C130 without parachutes), and if they are why can’t we suspend their passports, like the US did to Snowden?

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    • Hi Dave
      Nothing to worry about. Wasn’t the head of MI5 or 6 or whatever telling us that the release of the “secrets” by Snowden would cause all sorts of terrible consequences?

      Well this same bunch of nonces are always telling us serfs “If you’ve got nothing to hide then you’ve got nothing to worry about?” So what’s their problem?

      Anyway I understood that it doesn’t matter who enters the UK. There is no hiding place. Once the dastardly terrorist starts putting the wrong type of waste in his wheelie-bin and sticking it out on the street on the wrong day the forces of law and order will swoop down and squash him like a bug.

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  10. Speaking as a layman I would think that any serious criminal/terrorist would have a healthy amount of paranoia regarding their communications and already be taking precautions , in which case the Snowden files will have made no difference to them . Maybe someone with more hands on knowledge of this subject would like to comment on that thought.
    Ruling out the “professional” then , that leaves the leaves the amateur , the person next door with a chip on their shoulder and no intention of fitting in and vision of take over. This is the only type of person likely to be found by widespread spying on our private communications . However these amateur malcontents are only here because of deliberate government treachery over the years . Politicians of all shades fuck up , and our quality of life and freedoms are eroded .

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  11. For all you Alien conspiracy fans out there. This should provide endless speculation. Comet ISON incoming due to arrive somewhere near you on 26th December 2013.

    Video courtesy of a Chinese satellite (allegedly) Still it’s interesting stuff. Are the alien object hitching a ride or steering it towards Earth. “gulp”

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  12. Wiggy – you might like to cast your “legal” eye over this:

    EU court holds news website liable for readers’ comments

    The bit about unregistered comments, particularly…

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    • Nothing to see here, Dave. The position’s the same as it always has been. There was a substantial body of nerds back in the 90s who thought that for some magic reason, the law didn’t cover the internet so they could say what the hell they pleased about anyone and anything. The case of Godfrey v. Demon Internet at the end of that decade brought them back to reality with a bump. This case just confirmed what anyone with half a legal brain already knew: publishing is publishing is publishing no matter what medium is used.
      If someone makes a libelous comment in a blog, for example, then – if the person so libeled seeks redress – everyone who facilitated that libel is on the hook for it: the original writer, the blog owner and the ‘editor’ (whoever vets the postings) are all jointly and severally liable, as is anyone who repeats it (by for example omitting to trim it out in follow-up remarks). But proving who is which is the tricky bit and as you say, may well be impossible, especially in the case of unregistered commenters and foreign registered sites. If I were running a site I’d not hesitate to delete anything which was prima facie defamatory. However, ‘vulgar abuse’ as it’s termed (which we see shedloads of here) is not actionable, so for example if I call David Cameron a useless cunt, there’s nothing the absolute fucking wanker can do about it. I don’t even have to prove it’s true. :-)

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