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Open Thread 24/02/2014

Open Thread 24/02/2014

This weeks Open Thread for your discussions.

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  1. “Ukraine says it needs $35 BILLION to avoid economy collapsing as George Osborne says Britain will ‘pour taxpayers’ money’ in to help new government”

    Not only has the UK spent countless £Billions on the war-machine in Afghanistan (see my comment under Friday funnies) but now they want to spend £Billions on the Ukraine.

    The first question is WHY?

    The second is. Where the f*ck are they going to get the money?

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  2. Third question – did they even THINK to ask the poor bastards who are going to pay, if they mind???

    NO, did they fuck…

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  3. Fifth Question: When are we going to have an In/Out Referendum so that after they get their $35 BILLION they don`t all come over here for benefits/housing/free NHS and child allowance.

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  4. Fourth Question: I deliberately left for Wiggy.

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    • Thank you, CS. I’d like to know when are we going to cut the political class out altogether and govern ourselves directly, so we can decide our priorities for ourselves and no longer be enslaved by the dictates of this foreign agenda and the treasonous filth in Westminster & Brussels who impose it on us?

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  5. Could someone PLEASE explain to me what a Bitcoin is and how it works? It seems to me to have no value and is a fraudulent way of accumulating a sort of Monopoly Money which no body wants and is worthless as it has no tangible value. Very Confused. Thank you for your help.

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    • It’s not been in existence long enough yet to make a definitive judgement, CS. It may or may not be viable as an alternative currency in the future, but at this stage, it’s well worth avoiding as a long term investment or even as a simple store of value not least because it’s WAY too speculative and prone to wild swings in both directions. It has also recently – very recently – been targeted by hackers using ransom-ware to encrypt your hard drive. Be interesting to see where it will be in 10 years’ time, though!

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      • Bitcoin is a great idea for all those people who want to give “the finger” to people in control who steal our money by tax.

        So as long as people have “faith’ in Bitcoin it’s a store of wealth that can be accessed almost anywhere in the World.

        End of the commercial for the gullible.

        The big downer for Bitcoin is where the “rubber meets the road”. At some point the holder of Bitcoins will want to cash in their stash to buy all the little “goodies” the World has to offer and that’s where our “controllers” will rodger them good and hard.

        So how will they pay for the bottle of vintage Champagne and bucket of caviar? With a Bitcoin credit card? With a portable pc? Or will they change it into the usual “fiat” funny money? Oh no, you might exclaim. They will go to places that except Bitcoins. But once again unless you use a smart phone how would you pay in say a restaurant? AND what do you think the the “authorities” will do when they find Bitcoin a threat? They’ll close down the restaurant and arrest you for using counterfeit money.

        Bitcoin was probably invited by the CIA anyway to transfer drug funds.

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  6. Here’s another annoying thing:-

    My last sentence in the above rant about Bitcoin was “Bitcoin was probably INVENTED by the CIA” and my decking iMac changed it to INVITED. The bastard keeps doing it. Where’s me 14lb hammer.?

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    • Now it’s changed “FECKING” to DECKING Arrrrrrgh!

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      • It’s even worse than that. You’ve paid extra for the name as well. :->

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  7. Thank you both for your words of enlightenment and clarity. I think I will give it a wide berth.
    You see, I am approaching retirement in the next couple of years, and have been bewildered by the injustice of Annuities, SIPP/SSAS and the like. Apparently you give an Insurance Company your entire Pension Pot less the 25% lump sum, and the Insurance Company then use YOUR money to speculate and earn themselves £100,000s, and throw you a few crumbs of that lifetime Investment in the form of 6.5% of its value annually, and the Annuity then dies with you, and you cannot pass it to your spouse or whoever you want to leave it?
    If you decide to take out a SIPP/SSAS you can pass it on to whoever you like, but the Government take 55% Tax before it is given to your chosen benefactor. This is bloody disgusting. How is this legal? If you earn £300,000 a week you pay 45% Tax, so why should a SIPP/SSAS have to pay 55% after its taken you a lifetime to save/earn. This is utterly appalling. I hope this explains my reason for asking about Bitcoins.

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    • At least like most people, you’ve seen through all this for the scam it is.
      Probably one of the best bets for retirees if they have spare cash is to buy something and rent it out. Flat/house etc., or maybe this pooled car purchase-hire lark if you can find an honest broker; yields are good!
      Legal diisclaimer: this is not advice! Do your own diligence!

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      • Sorry, I meant “at least *UNLIKE* most people…..”

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  8. Hi Cheerful Soul.
    As the wise-man said “If you don’t know where you are going any road will do.” Only you can decide what you want to do and how much dosh you need to do it.
    One financial law that is a certainty is :- “If you save like mad and are very mean to yourself in order to fund a comfortable retirement. You will die after one week of retirement. On the other hand if you live for to day and let the future take care of itself you will live until 140 in abject poverty.”

    Two things that are almost certain to happen in the near future:-

    1. The government will insist that all pensions schemes are invested in government bonds. They will then default after stealing your money.

    2. Inflation will be 1.5% a year (government figures) but all the things that are a necessity like food, electricity, gas petrol will increase by 20% a year.

    As the mafia, oops government, runs out of money they will find ways of increasing tax on your home.

    A piece of advice. Never invest in anything the government has a hand-in, no matter how good the tax advantages.

    Lastly try to make yourself and finances invisible from the “man” (legally of course).

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  9. What can I say !! I sincerely thank both GS and Wiggy for your “words of wisdom” (as the word “advise” would probably see you both imprisoned), but its a bloody mine field out there. We are told to save for retirement and when you do, as a responsible hard working individual. “BANG” it is literally all taken from you and told by our Ruling Class to ” Eat Shit” for the rest of your miserable life, and to die ASAP. If Only, I knew at 21 what I know now. Never do we stop learning, but this Pension scam is particularly evil and heartless, but the young aren’t interested ( and who can blame them) because they will never become a Pensioner. But when the reality hits home. OMG. You learn that for the past 50 years of graft has been to help the National Debt and make the Banking and Insurance Industries even richer. I just do not what to say, except anyone that has the opportunity to Screw the Establishment, Please Please Do It !! Very Angry, Bitter and Twisted.

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    • Cheerful Soul – try not to get too distracted by anger and bitterness … I know this is easier said than done, but the best revenge of all is to enjoy your life. Nothing pisses the bastards off more than to see someone having a fucking good time.

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  10. Thank you Caratacus, although we have never met, GS, Wiggy and yourself have been a fantastic support and inspiration to me in many ways over the years. What a Country we live in though. Unfortunately its going to get worse, especially when the next downturn arrives which I believe will wipe us all out financially.
    So in the meantime, I will have a really great time as you advise and “Fuck Em”.

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    • And we, in turn, had help from others :-)

      I don’t know if you’ve ever read any of David Gemmell’s books … if you haven’t, may I recommend them – particularly “Knights of Dark Reknown” and “The First Chronicles of Druss the Legend”. These are fantasy novels but incredibly down to earth (and may be had as cheap as chips form Amazon), written in a spare style which encourages the imagination. The guidance that they have given even an old silverback like me has been valuable … particularly in the quite blatant indoctrination of my grandchildren ;-)

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  11. Grumpy Old Git

    Having only just had the … the….. well, honour really, to read a post by Caratacus regarding cable laying in response to “Wiggy’s request for an OBE (December 30, 2012 at 18:19), for those who were most unfortunate to have missed it (Caratacus I know you not mind the repost but it will save me an awful lot of time)
    “I remember being absolutely staggered by one offering from a member of Kestrel Troop on our Scout march one Spring morn. We had repaired to a field to cook our small repast (beans, sausages and tea) and after filling ourselves on food which I honestly believe has not been equalled in the fifty years since, our comrade rose to his feet, farted loudly and with no small measure of self-congratulation, announced that he would retire to the lee of a nearby oak tree to park his breakfast. He marched smartly and not without some urgency to the tree and there followed some appalling – almost inhuman – noises as the deed was done. He reappeared a while later looking a little wan and pasty of countenance, and pronounced himself ready for the remainder of the hike. We carefully removed all traces of our short stay … and, in an unspoken agreement of purpose, trailed towards the oak tree. Silent homage was paid to the most almighty dump we had ever seen. It went on and on, snaking its way through the lush grass in plump and magnificent array. One scout was even so moved as to snatch his beret from his head as he stood in mute and respectful wonder. The guilty party managed to stammer something about his snipper-offer having failed at a vital moment during the proceedings, but his protestations were scarcely heard.

    I often wonder what happened to that young man. Perhaps he made a career in local government – he was certainly well-qualified.”

    I too had a very similar experience when I was training with HMAF, thing is tho’ on the announcement of the impending birth my team member scurried off into the woods to follow the chap. Many of you will not believe however, I shall continue. Having looked around to see if anyone was watching (Just who the fuck would want to watch!) He continued to pull his combats down. Now as he was making a bit of noise in doing so which allowed my fellow to creep up behind him and place a hat under his arse.

    After the guy had “Parked his Tiger” my fellow hunter as we were called for the exercise withdrew said hat and bled back into the bush…..

    I only wish at the time we had the wonders of technology then because fuck me it would have been posted on YouTube within seconds.

    Everyone, (and please don’t deny it) when you have had a dump you wipe your arse yes? then, you look at the paper… (come on, come on stay with me here you know you do) then you wipe your arse again if needed, stand up and look at your child. The look on this chaps face was a memory never to be forgotten Nobby said.. ” Poor bastard, he knew he had had a shit, just couldn’t figure out just where the fuck it went” Nobby old friend if you are still with us old sport thankyou for sharing it for I too will carry the log snatch picture of puzzlement to my grave.

    I shall write no more as tears of laughter are in my eyes from other fond memories of life.

    Wiggy O.B.E. Awarded, Caratacus D.S.M. Awarded for sharing and Nobby old friend a new hat!

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    • Bit like the drunken fool who, on his voyage home from the pub, decided to have a crap in the nearest available garden. Upon awakening the following morning, and being stricken with guilt, he returned to the scene of the crime as it were – but despite thrashing around in the hydrangeas he could not find the evidence of his folly. He knew he had had a crap there but there was a total absence of turds and he was beginning to doubt his own sanity. He was interrupted by the owner of the house who, understandably, wanted to know what was going on. The chap said, “I .. err .. was looking for me wallet. Some lads mugged me last night and threw it over here somewhere”. “Aye”, said the householder, “you’d be amazed what goes on around here. Our tortoise came in this morning looking like a viking’s helmet – someone had only crapped on him the dirty bastards …”

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      • ROTFLMFBO at these two tales! What rich lives you pair have led! :-D
        Seriously, though, Mr. C., I think we’ve found a very worthy new contributor here in GOG who seems to share our rather off-beat sense of humour! Welcome aboard, GOG!

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        • Yes Wiggy, they do say that Like attracts Like … so it was only a matter of time before GOG found us ;-)

          GOG – I’m sure you will find a comfortable billet here … so keep posting!

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