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Elm Guest House Operation Fairbank Rumours

In November of last year, surrounded in secrecy, the Metropolitan Police began Operation Fairbank. It was set up after Tom Watson MP made allegations, in the House of Commons, of a “powerful paedophile ring” with links to a previous prime minister’s “senior adviser”. The widely held belief has been that Labour MP Tom Watson was referring to a member of Margaret Thatchers’s Conservative government.

Apparently, the Operation Fairbank investigation is just a “scoping exercise” aimed at a “preliminary assessment of the evidence rather than a formal inquiry”. Presumably that means if they find anything too incriminating then they can just ‘kill’ the investigation … or maybe I’m just getting a tad too cynical these days. Anyway, one of the areas of inquiry that the “scoping exercise” is … well … err … ‘re-scoping’ is a child sex abuse case from the late 70s and early 80s which centred around the Elm Guest House at 27 Rocks Lane, South West London.

The Elm Guest House was run by Carole Kasir between 1979-1982 where she provided an ‘unthreatening meeting place for homosexual men, free from the stigma of a sexual orientation’. An opportunity for gay men to “be themselves”. Following the sudden death of 47-year-old Kasir in 1990 from an insulin overdose, apparently, two social worker friends of hers gave some worrying evidence to the inquest. Mary Moss and Christopher Fay made allegations of the sexual abuse of children at the Elm Guest House. Carried out by rich and powerful men.

A party at the Elm Guest House was raided by police in 1982, following which 12 boys gave evidence that they had been abused by men. German born Carole Kasir was convicted for running a gay brothel disorderly house. However, the allegations of sexual abuse against children by the rich and powerful, rumoured to include politicians, police, judges, clergy and famous names from the celebrity world of entertainment … were not pursued.

Hmmm … maybe it was just another “scoping exercise”.

In the last few weeks, what is claimed to be, some of the alleged Elm Guest House evidence collected by social worker Mary Moss has begun to appear on the internet. In particular, a series of reversed photographs which show someone holding hand written notes and photocopied images. More than 130 of these pictures have now been flipped and appear to reveal details of some of the rich and powerful men that were alleged to have frequented the Elm Guest House between 1979 and 1982.

To be honest, the photography is not of the highest quality and some of the handwriting is very difficult to read and in some cases it’s illegible. One such image is the list of names that are alleged to have visited the Elm Guest House. I have no way of knowing whether this list originates from Mary Moss, if it’s in her own handwriting or even if any of the people listed have ever visited a house in Rocks Lane.

However, I can’t see how merely pointing out how certain individuals are on a list of people, who once stayed at a famous or infamous London guest house, can be construed as interfering with any “scoping excersise”. After all, if it eventually becomes a ‘formal inquiry’ and anybody is charged with anything criminal, as a subsequence … then they will be named anyway.

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Many of the men mentioned on the list are, of course, dead. Just like Jimmy Savile. So, cue the ‘I didn’t do anything at the time but 20/30/40/50 years later I quite fancy some compensatiom’ band wagon jumpers … if it transpires that any of them are postumously pursued for a punishment that they can no longer serve.

Just so as there’s no confusion … I understand that Leon Brittan, Cliff Richard and Peter Bottomley, for instance, are still alive and kicking. I’d hate for anyone to think otherwise. Speaking ill of the dead is one thing but speaking dead of the living is quite another. BTW, there seems to be quite a few mentions of the Monday Club there. I haven’t got a clue what that’s all about. Does that mean they were members of the Monday Club? Is that something to do with a regular stay at the Elm Guest House? Or is it something conducted outside of the  ‘unthreatening meeting place for homosexual men’? Perhaps someone could enlighten me.

Incidentally, Mary Moss, development officer for National Association Of Young People In Care (NAYPIC) was recently rumoured to have been arrested by investigators from Operation Fairbank. This turned out to be untrue because a couple of days ago someone claiming to be Mary Moss, or Jo Flores as she seems to be called these days, posted this message on a blog :

 I was issued with a search warrant on the 9th Jan for all doc’s relating to Carol Cazier.. I am sure I offered them to the Government but maybe my lack of having horses prevented such meeting.. I have had my flat swept by Op ‘you know who’ completely and professionally and in a very tidy organized and friendly manner.. I am now co-operating with them. I have been given my laptop back today but they still hold 19 NAYPIC boxes which I handed over to them today without hesitation..as I had them hidden in a friends.. for them just to check in case there is other related info..and one motherboard computer also which was ceased.. just to put other blogs at bay… with what really happened.. after I published all I have… which you now know.. I am not fair game to have my life intruded on in this way but I trust that in my line of duty to the case and the victims my life will still stay quite private.. other than my work.. as they are the only one’s who now know absolutely everything about me.. nice

I guess she means Carole Kasir  and the message seems a tad garbled but she also goes on to post a letter that she sent to Detective Chief Inspector Paul Settle :

Dear Paul,

Since no one has been arrested in connection with the info I gave Alister Jackson and David Pallister I don’t believe it will help for me to meet with you and further since David is actively working with you, you therefore have the file and as you say it is on the web.

I don’t want to be a part of this, unless the powers that be, meet with me, who suffered the torment and real dangers of being involved in this in the first place.

I’m not being funny about this but my name crops up in this left right and center and that is disconcerting in itself. The only way I would feel protected is to meet with a top Government official and since they seemingly have no interest in me and what I have relentlessly done with my own resources as a volunteer in the meanwhile for child protection for the future dismantling of it and what I advocate for and on behalf of what was once a large membership (before this story took us down) then how on earth do you think that I in my right mind want to be involved in this again.

I am currently trying to get on with the development of children’s rights in this country and am having a hard time doing that because too of the powers that be!

Your attempts to get me involved again neither advise me of any procedure or assure me of anything. People got killed. We got closed down. I am just trying to keep to a more positive way of dealing with this and that is being marred by all this media and police contact. I don’t want to be a part of that. I made it clear, very very clear I want to meet with Government. So what is the problem?

I got a letter from the PM’s office saying the Home Office would meet with me. I then got a letter from the Home Office saying that I was to meet with you. That was a circular waste of time and the co-ordination in that is just a slap in the face so how can I take your nice email seriously.

You know that in all those years of being involved in this it was that that brought me to a very positive conclusion on how we go about helping the victims and potential ones. How does a Government then not want to speak with a key player in that and find out really cool, healing and not rock the boat politics, solutions, that help those victims now especially with such a National interest at present. It is prime opportunity for me to get what I want for all youth. Is that so difficult for the country to accept. There is now a door that could be open but it is not!

Politics is of no interest to me or to the victims but it is to those that see it as a way to bring down Government’s etc but what use is that to the victims. I do not come from a political camp. I had my eyes peeled open to abuses that were taking place and like many we just don’t want it. I know that development of right’s can be a frightening thing for people but we need that to happen for children. Not for those that don’t need it but for those that do. So the procedures and rights have to be in place and they still are not.

What use is there in all this if we cannot take the right steps. I have been hi-jacked in many ways before when even others were set up as puppet organization’s with controls put in there just so as the Government could say that they were actually doing something. What good are reports etc recommendations. A few arrests and a few innocent ones too. I see this for what it is. And I want no part of it and how dare you insinuate that I put things wrong by publishing what I have done on the web as to be honest it was better than giving it over to the police who COULD be said to be doing exactly what you purport may happen by me publishing it.

…. Instead.. you treat us like kids stupid ones, 5 cops a secret op and we all get wounds opened that would prefer to stay well healed…

So you may not like me but I like myself.. and I do not want any more than to be left alone.. if that is okay with you, the Home Office and most especially the Government.

You have all I know. So rest assured I have nothing hidden and I don’t need to be dead or have my family destroyed or set up or beaten up or have an accident or mentally ill person attack me or be followed, hacked or bugged or anything of that nature. If the Gov have a change of heart I would really still like to talk to them.

Perhaps it is all too late to contain but there sure is a way of putting a good vibration on this and that is not happening.. I have been running and running to get positive change.. I am not the type to use this for myself.. it needs to happen.. you may see that in years to come.

You can read the full letter and a subsequent reply from DCI Paul Settle HERE.

Well, I don’t quite know where all this is leading to but one thing I can say is … Mary Moss is slap bang in the middle of huge story. One that appears to involve a “powerful paedophile ring”. The ramifications of which could lead to the biggest political upset we have seen in years … if not ever.

Good.

I guess it all depends on whether the Operation Fairbank Elm Guest House “scoping excerise” ever becomes a “formal inquiry”. And whether a formal inquiry would result in any of the ‘rich and powerful’ being charged for their part in a “powerful paedophile ring”.

I won’t hold my breath.

Meanwhile, here’s a reminder of the look on David Cameron’s face during Tom Watson’s statement to the HoC, when he mentioned that paedophile rings had been operating out of Number 10, Downing Street :

David Cameron Funny Elm Guest House Rocks Lane London Abuse Names Operation Fairbank Tom Watson Allegations Investigations Paedophile Ring Gay Parties Senior Adviser Mary Moss

Cameron then went on to set up Operation Fairbank … in secret.

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Oh, and I almost forgot …

If you do a Google image search for Mary Moss NAYPIC you get these 2 messages at the foot of the page :

In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 8 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org.

In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 25 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org.

33 cease and desist orders? What’s all that about then?

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UPDATES : 

Leon Brittan Paedo Or Just A Poor Memory

Police Question Leon Brittan

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34 comments

  1. AbergavennyThursdays

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Monday_Club

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    • Thanks for the link. A lot of interesting names there.

      “the guardian of the Tory conscience”

      Oh yeah ;-)

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  2. Been covering many of your questions already Max. End result, I don’t think Mary likes me much…..

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  3. Pop star with “Gladys”. Do you think it could be some “social disease”?

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    • Probably just…..can I get a Hallelujah?

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  4. Hi Max
    Just had a thought. What is needed is for a London Black Cab driver to step forward who operated 1979 – 1982. They’ve all got brilliant memories.

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    • And they always enjoy telling anyone who’ll listen, the ‘rich and powerful’ names they’ve had in the back of their cab ;-)

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      • Hi Max
        I had a word with my ex black cab friend who retired in May 1979 from driving and he says that the address was too near Barnes Station and wasn’t a profitable run for the cabs. Any “elite” visiting an address regularly would have been spread like wild-fire amongst the cab drivers many of whom were retired police. So it looks as though they would have jumped on a train to Barnes. I wonder how many of them claimed expenses from the public trough for train tickets to Barnes?

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        • Thanks for going to the trouble to look into that. Interesting. Makes you wonder whether proximity to a station was a coincidence … or not ;-)

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  5. Camoron Unsettled, Nefarious Transgressions Surfacing.

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  6. Don’t know about anyone else, but I am becoming more and more sickened by the extent of all this.

    It seems almost that being a deviant, slimy, evil piece of shit is a required qualification for a career in politics or public office, and that similar qualities, if found amongst celebrities, will assure them of fame and fortune.

    I understand fully that the loathsome buggers need to be exposed, prosecuted and punished; if I had my way the punishment would not involve lengthy and expensive stays in Butlin’s-style open prisons but would, instead, be rather more immediate and not overly laden with forgiveness. But please forgive me if I don’t read every last word on the subject .. it turns my guts.

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    • Quite so, old chum. I’ve come to the conclusion that the “Establishment” needs to be disestablished as a priority. With corruption and ‘old boy networks’ at every senior level it’s impossible to see how the full, ghastly truth will ever emerge. :(

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  7. Fay is known to the Daily Mirror and made comment on their Dec 2 2012 coverage (bottom of article):

    ‘Last night Mr Fay, who is expecting to be interviewed by police, said: “I stand by everything I said in 1990 at the inquest.” ‘

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-ring-a-paedo-palace-where-vips-1469127

    …(and expect that reversed-image-on-blog thingie to make an appearance when some brit makes a “Girl with a Dragon Tattoo” style film v soon. Only it’ll be more like a Begsy from Trainspotting or a Ray from Nil By Mouth covered in tatts….)

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  8. Don’t know how reliable this is :-

    http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=2460.5;wap2

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    • I’ve seen that report before … very harrowing indeed. There sure are some sick and depraved bastards out there ;-(

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  9. Unfortunately this is a worldwide disgrace and unfortunately the so called people who make the laws to protect the innocents are the perpetrators of this vile crime.

    rense.com/general195/mkultra.html

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  10. Nice blog right here! Also your website loads up fast! What host are you the use of? Can I am getting your associate link in your host? I wish my site loaded up as fast as yours lol

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  11. Well another twist in the tale:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-launch-criminal-investigation-into-mps-child-sex-ring-8456434.html

    I followed the Savile piece that ran here directly after his death – that took a while to surface properly. And I think we can safely say that ‘establishment figures’ seemed to want to squash it. Well the BBC is establishment isn’t it? Nice to see people actually resigning for once. Wonder where this will end then?

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  12. Resign and you get off scot-free..the loss of the job is punishment enough for abusing children over the years…and then the tossers go and get another highly paid job from another influential nonce…and the game goes on.
    And whats all this about historical abuse..sorry!! when did it cease and desist??
    It’s still going on and the nonces are still in power/
    Is sadism, buggery and rape hereditory???

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  13. Good info here and there is plenty more to come out into the public domains – sooner rather than later we hope. There are far too many people in high office that need to be taken down now and for ever.

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  14. Strange old story this…Leon Brittan was Jewish & therefore it is extremely unlikely that he was ever a member of the Monday Club. At the same time, a number of the MC members listed were known to have unhealthy interests in boys. (If you look back at the Westland Affair, some of the MC members made extraordinary anti-semetic comments about LB and why he had to go after a Backbenchers meeting so I am not at all sure that he was cavorting with them.)

    There are some extraordinary stories on the internet if you have a dander, many of which Max wouldn’t probably like a direct links to.

    Has anybody direct knowledge of who drew up the list, on what basis and when?

    Cheers

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  15. Don’t they have flatbed scanners where you come from?

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  16. Cliff Richard was born in October, 1940 in Lucknow, in British India… or rather don’t Lucknow in the case of his regular visits to Elm Lodge in Barnes…..

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  17. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Monday_Club

    Link should answer the author’s question regarding the monday club, co managed by MP McLaren. There are a lot of reknown conservativeMPs.

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  18. Elm Guest House VIP paedohile list:

    http://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/the-elm-guest-house-vip-paedophile-party-list/

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    • Interesting…. I wonder how long that’ll stay up?

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  19. Greville Janner seems to be above the law as well.
    He will not be arrested.

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